Guys w/ the R/T's....

Wouldn't you agree that the R/T FWD (not sure about the AWD since it's heavier) we'll say, 0-60 is like 4.5-6 seconds somewhere around there depending on where you shift...I'm confused as to why everyone is knocking the avenger for performance, out of all the cars I've had, I don't recall one as quick, ever. It's just irritating me, I watched this video for whatever unknown reason and it really pissed me off saying the avenger is a sebring dressed up to look like a race car or whatever he said...I've driven the sebring and it's just not built like a dodge :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNhYbuGHiA8

Are there cars as quick as ours in our class? I mean I know our car is a dog in the 1/4 mile, but in the city, I don't see anyone being brave enough to hit the limiter....so 1/4 mile doesn't matter to me. :P Road and track claimed our car was 0-60 in 7 seconds, but I swear it's quicker, I don't have a g-timer or the EVIC...

Here's a great page I have bookmarked.
http://www.performancecarnews.com/Fastest-Cars-0-60.asp?Process=ShowTable

You can click the title of a column to sort by that column - even though it doesn't look clickable. Click on the 0-60 title to sort by 0-60 times.
They show the Avenger R/T at 6.8 for the 0-60
Check out the 2007 Jaguar S-Type 4.2 with a V8 for $56,000 also at 6.8 0-60

I've got the 2.4L so it was interesting to see the Caliber SRT4 turbo at 5.6
And more interesting is the list of other cars at 5.6 - they range from $40,400 for a Beamer to $337,985 for a Bentley.

Guys w/ the R/T's....

Wouldn't you agree that the R/T FWD (not sure about the AWD since it's heavier) we'll say, 0-60 is like 4.5-6 seconds somewhere around there depending on where you shift...I'm confused as to why everyone is knocking the avenger for performance, out of all the cars I've had, I don't recall one as quick, ever. It's just irritating me, I watched this video for whatever unknown reason and it really pissed me off saying the avenger is a sebring dressed up to look like a race car or whatever he said...I've driven the sebring and it's just not built like a dodge :D

Are there cars as quick as ours in our class? I mean I know our car is a dog in the 1/4 mile, but in the city, I don't see anyone being brave enough to hit the limiter....so 1/4 mile doesn't matter to me. :P Road and track claimed our car was 0-60 in 7 seconds, but I swear it's quicker, I don't have a g-timer or the EVIC...


While it may not seem like much, there is a HUGE difference between a 4.5 second 0-60 car a 6.5 second 0-60 car. I would say driven perfectly on a perfect day you could perhaps get a 6.3-6.5 sec 0-60 run. I'd say realistically a good driver should get fairly consistent 6.8's. I also doubt the AWD guys could do any better either, simply because wheel spin is a non-issue in this car.

Here's a great page I have bookmarked.
http://www.performancecarnews.com/Fastest-Cars-0-60.asp?Process=ShowTable

You can click the title of a column to sort by that column - even though it doesn't look clickable. Click on the 0-60 title to sort by 0-60 times.
They show the Avenger R/T at 6.8 for the 0-60
Check out the 2007 Jaguar S-Type 4.2 with a V8 for $56,000 also at 6.8 0-60

I've got the 2.4L so it was interesting to see the Caliber SRT4 turbo at 5.6
And more interesting is the list of other cars at 5.6 - they range from $40,400 for a Beamer to $337,985 for a Bentley.

Hmmm I don't think they test it right or something...because look at this - this is a guy I know - 300c w/ the HEMI...

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii305/brett248vista/300C/0209080303.jpg


according to them, their 300c SRT clocks in at 4.9 for a 4000+lb car (only 1 second less than a regular street model? doesn't seem worth it to get the SRT), but the caliber srt says 5.6 with a turbo and 1000lbs less...I am not understanding the logic, teach me the ways Dave! Theoretically, if a caliber srt-4 would do a 0-60 run off the line w/ the guy I know 300c, the caliber should smoke it...not barely beat it in my mind :D The small yet fast cars from years ago would always beat the v8's with no problem...and this is 0-60 not a 1/4 mile...v8's will always win the quarter mile but they should not be keeping up w/ the little cars 0-60 but that's just my opinion :P

I'm going to get a g-timer and test both my avenger and charger and according to them...The charger should be faster yet, weighing more....

Actually I found the one I bought before:

http://www.escortradar.com/gtimer.htm

Didn't know it was still around, probably get the same one, it worked ok...was usually off a few as it wasn't the best at detecting your speed but it worked. Anyone have any other recommendations? Unfortunately I don't have the EVIC....

While it may not seem like much, there is a HUGE difference between a 4.5 second 0-60 car a 6.5 second 0-60 car. I would say driven perfectly on a perfect day you could perhaps get a 6.3-6.5 sec 0-60 run. I'd say realistically a good driver should get fairly consistent 6.8's. I also doubt the AWD guys could do any better either, simply because wheel spin is a non-issue in this car.

Oh no I know 2 seconds is a big difference between 2 completely different vehicles, but maybe they are testing these using their automatics? It seems the R/T is a lot faster using the a/s to me.

Hmmm I don't think they test it right or something...because look at this - this is a guy I know - 300c w/ the HEMI...

according to them, their 300c SRT clocks in at 4.9 for a 4000+lb car (only 1 second less than a regular street model? doesn't seem worth it to get the SRT), but the caliber srt says 5.6 with a turbo and 1000lbs less...I am not understanding the logic, teach me the ways Dave! Theoretically, if a caliber srt-4 would do a 0-60 run off the line w/ the guy I know 300c, the caliber should smoke it...not barely beat it in my mind :D The small yet fast cars from years ago would always beat the v8's with no problem...and this is 0-60 not a 1/4 mile...v8's will always win the quarter mile but they should not be keeping up w/ the little cars 0-60 but that's just my opinion :P

I'm going to get a g-timer and test both my avenger and charger and according to them...The charger should be faster yet, weighing more....

I'm a bit confused about what you are asking here. A sub 5 second 0-60 time for a 4000+lb car tells me it's making some serious power. Think of it in exponential terms in a way and it might be easier. Say it takes you 50 extra HP to go from a 7 sec 0-60 to a 6 second 0 - 60. Adding another 50HP won't get you to 5 seconds.. It may get you to 5.5-5.6. It's also going to depend on how well you can put that power down. I imagine the SRT8 leaves quite a bit more smoke behind it vs. that 300C. 60 foot times on a 0-60 run would be very telling as well.


P.S.
I just noticed the question you had under the link in the first post. I think a lot of it depends on what vehicles you consider "in our class". Off the top of my head I'd say:

Ford Fusion 0-60: Win for the R/T easily
1/4mi run: Another easy win for the R/T

Chevy Malibu 0-60: Drivers Race
1/4mi run: Drivers Race

Honda Accord 0-60: Drivers Race
1/4mi run: Accord by 1-4 car lengths most likely

Toyota Camry 0-60: Drivers Race
1/4mi run: Camry 3+ car lengths

Nissan Altima 0-60: Win for the Altima Especially if its the 6sp
1/4mi run: Unfortunately I'd have to say easy win for the Altima, even more so if its the 6sp.

All comparisons are assuming equal drivers, vs a FWD R/T against the top V6 model of each competitor. Obviously the 4-cylinder model of the above listed cars would be no problem for the R/T.

I'm a bit confused about what you are asking here. A sub 5 second 0-60 time for a 4000+lb car tells me it's making some serious power. Think of it in exponential terms in a way and it might be easier. Say it takes you 50 extra HP to go from a 7 sec 0-60 to a 6 second 0 - 60. Adding another 50HP won't get you to 5 seconds.. It may get you to 5.5-5.6. It's also going to depend on how well you can put that power down. I imagine the SRT8 leaves quite a bit more smoke behind it vs. that 300C. 60 foot times on a 0-60 run would be very telling as well.


P.S.
I just noticed the question you had under the link in the first post. I think a lot of it depends on what vehicles you consider "in our class". Off the top of my head I'd say:

Ford Fusion 0-60: Win for the R/T easily
1/4mi run: Another easy win for the R/T

Chevy Malibu 0-60: Drivers Race
1/4mi run: Drivers Race

Honda Accord 0-60: Drivers Race
1/4mi run: Accord by 1-4 car lengths most likely

Toyota Camry 0-60: Drivers Race
1/4mi run: Camry 3+ car lengths

Nissan Altima 0-60: Win for the Altima Especially if its the 6sp
1/4mi run: Unfortunately I'd have to say easy win for the Altima, even more so if its the 6sp.

All comparisons are assuming equal drivers, vs a FWD R/T against the top V6 model of each competitor. Obviously the 4-cylinder model of the above listed cars would be no problem for the R/T.

Gotcha..yeah I was tired and crabby last night lol :P

There are three words for producing power. Torque....Torque and more Torque. Look at this link and you will see why I keep stateing torque, is the major factor.

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2002.web.dir/David_Giessel/hpvstq.html

according to them, their 300c SRT clocks in at 4.9 for a 4000+lb car (only 1 second less than a regular street model? doesn't seem worth it to get the SRT), but the caliber srt says 5.6 with a turbo and 1000lbs less...I am not understanding the logic, teach me the ways Dave! Theoretically, if a caliber srt-4 would do a 0-60 run off the line w/ the guy I know 300c, the caliber should smoke it...not barely beat it in my mind :D

You must not have noticed the LBS/HP column.
300C SRT8 = 10 LBS/HP
Caliber SRT4 = 10.6 LBS/HP (see below)
Avenger R/T = 14.5 LBS/HP (see below)
Compare that to the Bugatti Veyron at 3.4 LBS/HP that does 2.7 sec 0-60
The Caliber SRT4 is a strong little car, but has more body fat. :)

The Caliber and Avenger, as well as many others, have an * after the name. That means the numbers are based on estimates rather then real world testing. The chart has the Caliber at 300 HP which is about 15 hp too high. I believe the Caliber SRT4's 0-60 is actually in the low 6's

There are three words for producing power. Torque....Torque and more Torque. Look at this link and you will see why I keep stateing torque, is the major factor.

http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2002.web.dir/David_Giessel/hpvstq.html (http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2002.web.dir/David_Giessel/hpvstq.html)

That's true. Torque is what does the work. HP just measures how fast that work is done.

I've posted this before, but I'll post this again
Horsepower is simply torque x rpm / 5252
What you want is more torque over a wider a range of rpms.

Here's an interesting bit of trivia;
below 5252 rpm, any engine's torque number will always be higher than its horsepower number,
and above 5252 rpm, any engine's horsepower number will always be higher than its torque number.
At 5252 rpm the horsepower and torque numbers will be exactly the same.
You can see that on the chart in the link that regandon posted.

Gotcha...thanks for the explanation guys :) So do you guys think we're driving sebrings disguised as race cars? LOL

Lets see, same 3.5L engine and transmission. Built on the same platform, just different body style and name plate.

Gotcha...thanks for the explanation guys :) So do you guys think we're driving sebrings disguised as race cars? LOL

The one thing I would like to see with the Avenger, is a two door convert. like the Sebring, or a two door Coupe.

The one thing I would like to see with the Avenger, is a two door convert. like the Sebring, or a two door Coupe.

I agree, a coupe would have been very nice.

Something was bugging me about this video last night but it was late and I couldn't put my finger on what it was. I just re-watched it and noticed, it doesn't have the MyGig option but it has rear seat DVD? I didn't realize that was even an option, so can the standard radio actually play everything the MyGig can? (DVD, DVD-Audio, etc)

Something was bugging me about this video last night but it was late and I couldn't put my finger on what it was. I just re-watched it and noticed, it doesn't have the MyGig option but it has rear seat DVD? I didn't realize that was even an option, so can the standard radio actually play everything the MyGig can? (DVD, DVD-Audio, etc)

I think so, but I think it has to have the DVD label on it...I noticed 2 different regular ones, one is just mp3/sat and the other had the DVD label.

Something was bugging me about this video last night but it was late and I couldn't put my finger on what it was. I just re-watched it and noticed, it doesn't have the MyGig option but it has rear seat DVD? I didn't realize that was even an option, so can the standard radio actually play everything the MyGig can? (DVD, DVD-Audio, etc)

Hmmn...good catch! !