I went and put in the Jet Performance Chip today, and had the dealership install the 180 degree therm friday. Without installing the CAI and custom pipes yet, the chip was just what the performance Dr. order. It is a must have for performance, I can only imagine(sp) what its going to be like when I install the CAI and pipes. After testing the Chip out I took it off. But, I'm going to talk with the dealer and the Chrysler rep. and let them know that the chip took care of the shifting problem my R/T was having. Remember in an earlier post, I had stated that the dealer and the Chrysler rep. wanted me to hold off installing my mods, untill the software update was installed. I think the Jet Chip has taken care of the hard 2nd to 1st down shift, and the hard upshift. I did not have anymore slam bang in the automatic shifting mode.

There is also a change in low end TQ. With the ESP off, the tires did let me know there was a change in TQ. My take off from a dead stop was just outstanding. Also, the throttle responce is an eye opening wow what just happened.
More to follow in the comeing days. I will be making a vid of all the mods I will be doing, and posting photos.

So far, it is worth the $334.90 I paid.

That is a great initial review of the Jet Chip. I think our members will be thanking you for testing it and Jet for making it. Lets hope after further testing it will keep getting better.

It should get better after the CAI and pipes are put on.

how does the stage 2 affect gas mileage?.. any improvement with the chip and better air from the CAI?

I will have to drive a little longer to tell if the MPG has changed for the good or the worst. CIA are a pluse for better air flow. I will be keeping the forum updated on how things are going.

What CAI do you have from your Avenger?

Great Info, thanks Regandon...

Also, where is the module located in the Avenger? Just curious.

I was looking at the wbsite for the Jet chip... The suggest using premuim fuel??????

Auto anything has a great price on the stage1 and stage2 : http://www.autoanything.com/performance-chips/61A1777A0A0.aspx

Marko: Computer under hood. The 3.5L does have plug and pray. The 2.4L does not. You will see pics soon of my moods.

what CAI do you have? i read that jet chip requires you to use premium????

The only reason you should run premium, is to get the optimum performance from the remapping of the air to fuel ratio. You do not have to run premium to use the Stage1, only for the Stage2. As for the CAI I'm going to use. It is a custom made one as there is not a CAI out yet for the Avenger R/T.

i could not find one.. I did see the K&N filter that replaces the stock filter... i think I will go for the stage 1.. if i get one.. not sure i want to payyyy the hi price for premium

Go to the link and you will see one. It is the Injen one for the Avenger.

http://www.overnightautoparts.com/storefront/?N=1607+10142+4294966838+9157

does that replace the air filter box that is in the car?

Yes and no. They (Injen) make one that hooks up to the stock air tube, and one that fits on to the TB with a heat shield.

i have just bought the stage 2 jet chip yesterday. I have straight pipe exaust and custom cai, throttle body spacer. You dont have to run the expensive gas for the stage 2 only if u want the highest output on the chip but you still get more power regardless what gas u use.

i have just bought the stage 2 jet chip yesterday. I have straight pipe exaust and custom cai, throttle body spacer. You dont have to run the expensive gas for the stage 2 only if u want the highest output on the chip but you still get more power regardless what gas u use.


As I stated, you will get the best performance with 91 or 93. The chip change's the fuel to air ratio, so keep an eye on your exhaust tips. If you see alot of dark blackness and you are using low grade gas than start moving up to a higher grade, to get a cleaner burn. To rich or to lean is not good for the performance.
One question if you do not mind. Why go with a TB spacer ? I've never used one on a stock motor so I'm wondering if you have felt a difference in performance. Also, did you remove the cats or are you using free flowing cats ? In NY we must use cats.

This is from Jet :
Stage 2-Designed for the performance enthusiast, the Stage 2 features more aggressive programming to make the most horsepower and torque available. Fuel and timing curves are extensively modified for peak performance and drivability. Requires use of 91 octane fuel, 180 degree thermostat and free flow exhaust. Also works well with aftermarket intake systems, mass air sensors, TBI spacers, etc.

Bullet 85.. is that a pic of your Avenger?.. Do I see scoops on the hood?.. I think we would all like to see a larger pic of that

yes, i am using a throttle body spacer from vortech. I dont know if u guys ever heard of the turbonator? well my throttle body spacer acts as one of those i only have it for gas milage, it makes it a lil better. I have free flowing cats from magna flow and running straight pipe exaust ( no mufflers ). We have the same throttle body as the charger so its big enough. I made a custom CAI on my R/T. took exaust pipe bent it, powder coated it blk, heat wrap. I got the hood scoops as a b-day present and got them painted and put on. I took off all the embelems on the car so around my way know body knows wat it is. If you guys want some pics of my car just ask.

Ya I would Love to see some pics, have you been stopped for noise violations yet? Is this car your everyday driver and if so how loud are the straight pipes?

I do not want to sound like an a**, but the turbonator is a worthless piece of junk. I just do not want to see any of the members buying one, and throwing their money away. Like you I would use a TB spacer and not one of the turbojunkanators.

You had to have put on the cats yourself, as acording to the EPA, (new 2008 law) you must use the orignal cats untill the warranty period is no longer coverd. No exhaust shop should install aftermarket cats if the orignal cats are still under warranty. The warranty period is usually 80,000 miles.

From Magnaflow:
EPA NATIONAL
Outside California, traditional aftermarket converters may be used on OBDII vehicles as long as the following guidelines are followed:

The original converter is defective as shown by emission tests, the OBDII system or the converter is physically damaged, and the converter is no longer covered by the OEM vehicle warranty.
The aftermarket converter is selected based on the vehicle weight, engine size, and physical fit.
The location of the oxygen sensor(s) must be the same as in the OEM exhaust system and CANNOT be relocated.
After hanging the converter, the diagnostic codes should be cleared according to the vehicle manufacturer's procedure, otherwise the on-board computer may immediately turn on the Check Engine Light.
Aftermarket catalytic warranty terms and conditions remain unchanged as stated on the warranty certificate.That is why it is best to use a cat back exhaust system, and no exhaust shop will give you problem with installing it. I would think that the 3.5L with stright pipes sounds good. I know the 3.2L used in the old Crossfire sounded good with stright pipes.

well i ordered the cats and got them put on no problem. Im not saying buy the turbonator cause it is JUNK!!!!. BUT.... with the throttle body spacer my gas milage is better so i guess it was good for something right? No i have not got niose complaints at all. My gf has a 05 mustang with jdm headers and straight pipe exaust, hers is louder than mine so....you guys need to get creative with this car. In exaust alone i spent like 1,000 looking for that perfect sound, finally i went wit straight pipe. You buy a TBS and see the diffrence of how many gallons to the mile you get and i bet u will be glad u bought it. This avenger will have great potenial just give it time. I dont know if u all seen the evo bodykit for it now but... its out. But as for the converter, i wanted something with more free flow and great sound and i got it.

Good going with your mods, keep it up and let us know how things are going.

Iv Talked To 4 Ppl That Already Bought The Lip Kit For The Avenger And Were Not Happy At All. It Is Not Worth The Price At 900 Plus Another 300 To Get It Painted. Full Kit At Andysautosport.com Evo Style.

I read where you said the TB spacer increased your fuel economy, what are you getting? Have any data from all mods including stage 2 chip, exhaust and spacer?

- Dan M

if ur asking dyno testing there is not where im at. The closest one is in atlanta and thats far from ft. benning. The test i did was filled up and seen how many miles i got with a full tank of gas without the TBS, it was like 390. With the TBS and chip its about 407 give or take a gallon or to now.

I do hate to get anything started, as most take it as an attact against them. But I do have my opinion. I did not want to jump into a debate on the use of a TB spacer. But seeing how members are asking I would to step in. These cars today are made with mpg in mind, but also the car manufacturing industry is also doing some amazing things with performance and mpg. Not more than five years ago a TB spacer would have helped you gain up to three mpg. Today you are lucky if you get two mpg more. The Avenger is fly by wire, were as the computer judge's how much gas to give the car when the pedal is pushed. You may feel more responce while on the highway as the car down shift's and more gas is given for passing. But feel less agressive responce while city driving. This is were the R/T has an adventige over the base model in that you can manualy shift while driving in the city and at the track. So even though you may add a TB spacer, you are gaining nothing big in mpg, as the computer will still control the amount of gas it feels the motor needs. A performance programmer or chip has the adventage to over ride and reprogram the computer. As it remaps the fuel curve when the pedal is pushed and the sensor has sent the info to the computer.... it has also remapped the mpg to give you the most while maintaning a higher then factory performance level. The best thing about a TB spacer is it helps give a better burn and helps with high performance motors in gainning mpg. But, than again, if you have a 440cid, you can use the extra two to three mpg or more a TB spacer can give you depending on the tuning you have givin the motor.

Again, this is just my opinion, and understanding of TB spacer use.

well i dont REALLY know if it actually wrking until i get it dynoed i guess. It really depends on how often u stomp on the gas as like racing and just regular driving. Im not telling u all to buy it im just saying i have one and for about 25 bucks if it wrks it wrks if it dont it dont. But i know for sure my car is alot faster than a stock r/t. But everybody has their opinion and we need that here to c what wrks and what does not. Helpin eachother out is why i joined this thing. If anybody has any suggestions to help me get more outta what i got plz let me know. When serious performance parts come out watch out mustangs the silver bullet is takin over lol.....

Does Anybody Know If U Can Post Videos On Here, I Want To Post My Exaust So All Of U Can Here It ?

if ur asking dyno testing there is not where im at. The closest one is in atlanta and thats far from ft. benning. The test i did was filled up and seen how many miles i got with a full tank of gas without the TBS, it was like 390. With the TBS and chip its about 407 give or take a gallon or to now.

How many gallons did that fill up take on the 407 miles?

- Dan M

Are U Asking How Many Gallons My Take Takes? I Think My Tank Is 16.9

So how much more hp and torque does the Stage 2 put out? I'm really leaning towards getting one. Also is mpg worse, better, same?

Thank you

I have one put in and dont really know without putting it on the dyno. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WAT THERMOSTAT IS IN THE AVENGER. I put my chip in and read in another formus that u need to install a 180 thermostat, doesnt it come with a 180 thermostat?

Are U Asking How Many Gallons My Take Takes? I Think My Tank Is 16.9

when you filled up, how many gallons did you put it when you got 407 miles? Divide the two and that's your mpg. I'm just trying to ask what kind of mpg you are getting.

- Dan M

latley i have not been paying attention when i fill up ill let all u know .

my exhaust

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I went and put in the Jet Performance Chip today, and had the dealership install the 180 degree therm friday. Without installing the CAI and custom pipes yet, the chip was just what the performance Dr. order. It is a must have for performance, I can only imagine(sp) what its going to be like when I install the CAI and pipes. After testing the Chip out I took it off. But, I'm going to talk with the dealer and the Chrysler rep. and let them know that the chip took care of the shifting problem my R/T was having. Remember in an earlier post, I had stated that the dealer and the Chrysler rep. wanted me to hold off installing my mods, untill the software update was installed. I think the Jet Chip has taken care of the hard 2nd to 1st down shift, and the hard upshift. I did not have anymore slam bang in the automatic shifting mode.

There is also a change in low end TQ. With the ESP off, the tires did let me know there was a change in TQ. My take off from a dead stop was just outstanding. Also, the throttle responce is an eye opening wow what just happened.
More to follow in the comeing days. I will be making a vid of all the mods I will be doing, and posting photos.

So far, it is worth the $334.90 I paid.
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The dealerships wont install the 180 therm.

I have one put in and dont really know without putting it on the dyno. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WAT THERMOSTAT IS IN THE AVENGER. I put my chip in and read in another formus that u need to install a 180 thermostat, doesnt it come with a 180 thermostat?

You will be ok with the factory one. I found out after I had one installed that I did not need to.

I went and put in the Jet Performance Chip today, and had the dealership install the 180 degree therm friday. Without installing the CAI and custom pipes yet, the chip was just what the performance Dr. order. It is a must have for performance, I can only imagine(sp) what its going to be like when I install the CAI and pipes. After testing the Chip out I took it off. But, I'm going to talk with the dealer and the Chrysler rep. and let them know that the chip took care of the shifting problem my R/T was having. Remember in an earlier post, I had stated that the dealer and the Chrysler rep. wanted me to hold off installing my mods, untill the software update was installed. I think the Jet Chip has taken care of the hard 2nd to 1st down shift, and the hard upshift. I did not have anymore slam bang in the automatic shifting mode.

There is also a change in low end TQ. With the ESP off, the tires did let me know there was a change in TQ. My take off from a dead stop was just outstanding. Also, the throttle responce is an eye opening wow what just happened.
More to follow in the comeing days. I will be making a vid of all the mods I will be doing, and posting photos.

So far, it is worth the $334.90 I paid.
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The dealerships wont install the 180 therm.

They will if you know the owner good.

lol well yea that will help, im glad i wont need to change it out. Hey regandon check out my videos on you tube. On the search type in 08 dodge avenger my username is 08bullet and tell me what u think.

ok, will do. I'll be back to let you know.

i just got a level 1 supporter thing for 3 months

Good going on the vids and your mods. I will have mine up in the spring, I have some heavy duty mods to do. I own my own business and from Dec. untill March are my worst time for modding my car. After March I have alot of time on my hands, as all I have to do is sports photography. So I will be posting pic's and vids at that time.

Also Bullet85, thanks for becomeing a supporter, it is members like you that help keep this site going.

good cant wait to c them

So I've made the decision. Definately picking this up in the summer. Its settled.

Any word on how much more hp it puts out and anything yet on mpg?

The only thing i can tell u is that is makes a smoother shift and faster throttle response off of a dead stop.

To add a few things from my experiance with the Stage2. The low end TQ is very noticeable, and the gain in performance at lower rev's is also noticeable.

hey this stage two chip u guys are talking about, would it have any affect on say the lower models like sxt n se?? was just wondering

Do you have the 2.7L or the 2.4L ? If you have the 2.7L you can use the same chip. If you have the 2.4L, than you must use the Jet Power Control Unit, and not the Jet Performance Dodge Module. The Module is the Chip that plugs into you computer. Go to this link for the chip : http://www.jetchip.com/products.asp?pid=21696&make=24&model=275#275

and this link for the Control Unit : http://www.jetchip.com/products.asp?pid=23394&make=24&model=275#275

k i have the 2.7 but i was wondering what is increased in the car

k never mind haha thnxs for the post, i dont like how the stage two u have to use 91 octane, if u use 87 octane and use octane boost would that help??

You can run 87, but 91 will give better performance. As for the use of an octane boost ? I would think it's best to use 91 octane stright from the pump. You can make more HP and TQ without using the Stage2 by openning up you cars air flow. A CAI is one way, and a working hood scope is better yet. This allows you to get more air into the TB for better combustion(sp), and free flowing exhaust to better push the hot air out. If you look up Bullet85 posts and you will find his excellent job at making his own CAI. He can help you out by explainning what steps he used to make his.
So now you see an easy way to gain some performance. It will cost you some money going with a CAI and Exhaust, but it will be a cheaper way. The cost is alot more going with the Stage2, as you should go with an CAI and Exhaust along with the chip.

Well im just wondering if there is any other mods i can do, plz let me know. I called a bunch of places today and told them about our website and how we want perfromance parts and i told them we would buy if they r made.

Is it not recomended to Put this stage two chip in a stock RT ??

If so, what about stage 1 ?? would i see noticable differences with that ? youll have to excuse me im a bit of a mod novice. But i know for sure im not about to put straight pipes on my car, itleast for a while. I am interested in stage one though.

Also, this car is on a lease. Would i be voiding any warranties ?? is this chip plug and play so if i needed to take it to the Dodge dealer i could take it out. Thats what my Dad does with his Power Programer for his F350, he just writes the stock program b4 takin it in for service.

Any help wuld be appreciated.

Any one find a Cold air intake for the 3.5, K&n apparently doesnt make one for the 08.

Thanks

I have no idea on the stage 1 i have a stage 2 chip, and yes they plug right up to the pc in the engine comp and there is a diffrence in power. No there is no true cold air intake for the car yet, only a short ram i think from BB, as for the straight pipe exhaust the R/T sounds amazing with it cause i have it.

Stage1 will give you smoother shifting and a little more perfomance. It will help with the fuel to air ratio giving you a cleaner burn and maybe up to 2mpg more.

Stage2 is not for everyone, due to the mods you should do to get the best performance using the chip. As Bullet85 explained, the chips for the 2.7L and 3.5L motors are a direct plug into the computer.

is it necessary to change the exhaust and put a CAI and get the 180 degree therm for the stage 2 or is it just to milk the best performance out of it? and lets say i didnt do all that, would that mess anything up or would it just be like a stage 1 or what would be the negative side effects?

The Avenger uses a 180 dgree therm so you would not need to get that. You do not need the CAI if you do the exhaust (cat back with or without free flow cats). But I would go for a CAI, only as it does help give better air volume. This meaning that you will get better air to fuel ratio, and colder air really does helpout with performance. The Stage1 is better if you are looking for a little better mpg, and a smoother shifting pattern, without the need for modding. You can use regular gas (87-89) compared to 91-93 for the Stage2.
Every car runs better if you let it breath. So even if you do not use a performance chip (with mods or not) at lest get a cat back exhaust system like Zoomers and a CAI. It will help your motor last longer. Modding and the way people go about it is very subjective and everyone has good ideas on their way of modding. Just take what advice you can, and use which you think will best suit you.

Excellent advice regandon! I knew you were around for something... lol.

Im very interested in using the jet stage one chip once it arrives , but I haven't done anything to my vehicle but tint yet... would it damage my engine?

Im very interested in using the jet stage one chip once it arrives , but I haven't done anything to my vehicle but tint yet... would it damage my engine?
NO not at all.........

thank you Bullet , For the great news.....

You can run 87, but 91 will give better performance. As for the use of an octane boost ? I would think it's best to use 91 octane stright from the pump. You can make more HP and TQ without using the Stage2 by openning up you cars air flow. A CAI is one way, and a working hood scope is better yet. This allows you to get more air into the TB for better combustion(sp), and free flowing exhaust to better push the hot air out. If you look up Bullet85 posts and you will find his excellent job at making his own CAI. He can help you out by explainning what steps he used to make his.
So now you see an easy way to gain some performance. It will cost you some money going with a CAI and Exhaust, but it will be a cheaper way. The cost is alot more going with the Stage2, as you should go with an CAI and Exhaust along with the chip.

Just asking for curiosity's sake.

What happens if I put the stage 2 on a stock R/T? Exactly what are he measureable gains you see from each chi, stage 1 vs stage 2?

If I take a stock R/T, and install CAI how much better will performance/mileage be vs. just doing the air box mod?

If I take a stock RT and add the performance Catalytic converters and a performance exhaust with no other mods how much better will performance/mileage be?

Im trying to compare the cost vs. return of the recommended mods:

i.e:

airbox mod (free) vs CAI

CATS vs exhaust vs both

stage 1 vs. stage 2 (on top of the previous 2 mods)

My primary goal is MPG with a bonus of performance. (Its easier to sell to the wife that way). :smileup:
Thanks!

EAK

If you're not planning on getting CAI, catback, etc... I wouldn't go with Stage 2. I'm not a knowledge freak on the subject but from what I've read here so far, you'd just be wasting money. I don't know if he's sold it yet, but Zeeman's stage 1 was/is for sale in the Parts section. Personally, I'll wait a little longer and hopefully Diablo will finish their tuner.

Just asking for curiosity's sake.

What happens if I put the stage 2 on a stock R/T? Exactly what are he measureable gains you see from each chi, stage 1 vs stage 2?

If I take a stock R/T, and install CAI how much better will performance/mileage be vs. just doing the air box mod?

If I take a stock RT and add the performance Catalytic converters and a performance exhaust with no other mods how much better will performance/mileage be?

Im trying to compare the cost vs. return of the recommended mods:

i.e:

airbox mod (free) vs CAI

CATS vs exhaust vs both

stage 1 vs. stage 2 (on top of the previous 2 mods)

My primary goal is MPG with a bonus of performance. (Its easier to sell to the wife that way). :smileup:
Thanks!

EAK

Stage 2's air/fuel maps are calibrated for freer-flowing intake and exhaust. Installing it on a non-modified engine may cause a lean-running condition.

Hey, I was just looking at the jet website, and they don't have an option for the SXT with the 2.7l, only the 2.4l. If I choose the option for the 3.5l R/T will it work? Those are the only two options they have... I was looking at the stage 1, only because I'm afraid to run too lean with out the cat-back. Even though the cai is in the near future for me.

Wait so is there a 2.4L Jet chip? If so i am definitely interested in getting one.

Well, it's on the website, so I'm assuming so. I didn't click on it though, so it may have been an option, and no available product. I will look in to it further and get a link to it for ya.

Ok, just went to the site, jetchip.com, and yes it shows that they have both the stage 1 and 2 for the 2.4L. I dont know if this link will work, but give it a try: http://www.jetchip.com/Shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?sppp=10&catID=1

So does anyone know if the pcm's for the Avengers are not adaptive with their air/fuel map?

I only ask because it was the number 1 reason not to get a jet chip for my '03 Dak RT. The chip works fine for a little while, then the pcm 'learns' itself right around it and the thing is pretty much useless.

So does anyone know if the pcm's for the Avengers are not adaptive with their air/fuel map?

I only ask because it was the number 1 reason not to get a jet chip for my '03 Dak RT. The chip works fine for a little while, then the pcm 'learns' itself right around it and the thing is pretty much useless.

Hmmm. Im wondering if this is the "back pressure" issue Zeeman has mentioned.

They will install it if you are the owner :)
Let me know if you need any tech specs or anything. Currently working on my 2009 Avenger R/T just came off the truck few days ago... Winter is ending and my Jeep is finished so on to the next project :)

I went and put in the Jet Performance Chip today, and had the dealership install the 180 degree therm friday. Without installing the CAI and custom pipes yet, the chip was just what the performance Dr. order. It is a must have for performance, I can only imagine(sp) what its going to be like when I install the CAI and pipes. After testing the Chip out I took it off. But, I'm going to talk with the dealer and the Chrysler rep. and let them know that the chip took care of the shifting problem my R/T was having. Remember in an earlier post, I had stated that the dealer and the Chrysler rep. wanted me to hold off installing my mods, untill the software update was installed. I think the Jet Chip has taken care of the hard 2nd to 1st down shift, and the hard upshift. I did not have anymore slam bang in the automatic shifting mode.


the only time you down shift into first is in a video game, first gear is to get your car moving only.

Like what was said above, if you cruise up to a stop in auto mode, come to a full stop, and go into auto-stick you'll find you're in 2nd gear. You have to shift it down into 1st intentionally.

What you're likely feeling is the shift from 3rd to 2nd.

I just recieved my chip. my MAIN question is. DO I HAVE TO REPLACE THE THERMOSTAT TO A 180?

If i dont, WHat will Happen?

Actually i just spoke with the dealer and they said that the stock one in the RT is 195..

the only time you down shift into first is in a video game, first gear is to get your car moving only.

Reread the post. It was taking care of the hard down and up shift. Not in auto stick mode. I've been racing cars for over 30 years, you need not have to tell me anything about shifting gears.

Actually i just spoke with the dealer and they said that the stock one in the RT is 195..

The first year R/T's had 180's in them.

Yep I have a early R/T and have a 180 thermo and the old oil filter thread size ( same as the Charger 3.5). Later model 08 R/T's have a smaller thread size. So know when yours was build before picking up a oil filter. O and by the way a Moble1 filter is the same exact filter internaly as a K&N.