Any thoughts about waxes and interior dressings. I want to baby my Avenger and want to know the best stuff. I have heard that the old style wax is bad for modern paint. My last vehicle started fading after 6 years even though I waxed it on a regular basis(every other month), and I want my new car to last much longer.

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Turtle Wax ICE has received positive comments from members on the other forumZs. I have not tried it yet but plan to. You might check the the other forumZ for input.

I like the Glipstone products.. the work very nice

I heard Zaino works great. Personally I've been using a zymol product and a turtle wax platinum product...on my bike though, been too cold to wax the car yet hehe.

thanks for all your info. i will be putting my first coat of wax on this weekend.

I use Mothers polishing compound, then their carnuba wax...My truck's an 03 and looks as good as the day it rolled off the showroom floor...

I use first a good polymer paint sealant (Rod and Custom show car glaze) I may try another for fun, Pinnacle Souveran paste wax (Which is excellent for blacks and reds),I use Chemical Guys Slick wax detailer that also can be used as a water-less wash (Cheap to buy,A gallon for this is $22.00) and I also use Gliptone spray and shine Carnauba for a detailer too. Pinnacle Souveran, P21S(Cheaper than Pinnacle),S100(Like P21S but cheaper, You find it at bike shops),and a couple others are easy on and off. No more of that bull crap with fighting too take it off. No compounds yet. I was told by lots of people with a new car you don't need it. Microfiber towels are great,Depends on the maker. I buy the California duster microfiber towels. Collinite insulator wax is supposed to be great for the winter and for silver metallics. I haven't used it yet, I have been told by alot of people it's great.

Just got done yesterday with three coats of Zaino (using the accelerant to cure it) and the car looks fantastic. Really makes the metal-flake in the red pop out.

If you use some of the premium waxes, make sure you take any old wax off by using Dawn dish detergent as your pre-wash.

Perhaps I over-do it a little bit, but usually what I do is wash the car maybe once every 3 or 4 months. Using a lot of soap (washing your car regularly) will fade the paint over time. After the car is washed, I clean it up even more with Meguiars Quik Detailer, and then add two coats of spray wax to it.

From that point forward, I dust off the car and clean it with the Meguiars Quik Detailer once a week, and apply a new coat of spray wax every 2-3 weeks. I usually only wash the car if it gets REALLY REALLY dirty or muddy.

I heard somewhere that you can actually over wax your car. I am not sure on the details, but I will look and try to find that out.

Just got done yesterday with three coats of Zaino (using the accelerant to cure it) and the car looks fantastic. Really makes the metal-flake in the red pop out.

If you use some of the premium waxes, make sure you take any old wax off by using Dawn dish detergent as your pre-wash.Which Zaino? I'm into trying different waxes. Is it Zaino Z2? How about P21S? Have you tried it yet? Supposed to be just as good as Pinnacle Souveran paste. That's good advice about the Dawn, Sometimes if you don't prep it properly a person may find the results aren't as good as they should be.

I heard somewhere that you can actually over wax your car. I am not sure on the details, but I will look and try to find that out.Detail University is a pretty good place to ask questions. I personally don't think it hurts unless you use an abrasive polish wax quite a bit. I use an easy on and easy off wax,No waiting.Oh ya before that I use a Polymer sealant. You don't have to rub hard like some waxes.I use a spray detailer with Carnauba alot. I think it extends the wax just a little bit. What you use to wash it makes a difference. It should be PH balanced so I've been told and mild. No junk. Your towels shouldn't abrasive either. I don't even take the car through the car wash unless it's a brushless.

What is this Detail University you speak of suek?

What is this Detail University you speak of suek?
Right here http://www.detailuniversity.com/forums/

Ahhh very cool! Thanks!!

Ahhh very cool! Thanks!!Your welcome. Here's some others I go to:
http://www.detailcity.org/forums/
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/
Some of these places when you join give you a discount on wax etc.

Which Zaino? I'm into trying different waxes. Is it Zaino Z2? How about P21S? Have you tried it yet? Supposed to be just as good as Pinnacle Souveran paste. That's good advice about the Dawn, Sometimes if you don't prep it properly a person may find the results aren't as good as they should be.

No, it was the Z2 (a friend of mine offered for me to try it before I bought) using the ZFX fast cure so I could put three coats on fairly quickly as opposed to having to wait 12 hours for each coat to cure up.

And I haven't tried anything but the Zaino on this vehicle sofar. I was VERY happy with it, but next application I probably need to run the clay over it. I could feel some surface imperfections all over the hood.

No, it was the Z2 (a friend of mine offered for me to try it before I bought) using the ZFX fast cure so I could put three coats on fairly quickly as opposed to having to wait 12 hours for each coat to cure up.

And I haven't tried anything but the Zaino on this vehicle sofar. I was VERY happy with it, but next application I probably need to run the clay over it. I could feel some surface imperfections all over the hood.I'm trying to remember if that has a polymer or not. Thanks for telling me about the fast cure. I know, When your in the mood to wax,Your in the mood to wax. I have a sealant that's like that, I usually like to do it all in that day but can't. Someone offered me sample of Z2 pro,I may take them up on it.

Consumer Reports rates Black Magic Wet Shine Liquid Wax as the best.
Gloss - Excellent
Durability - Excellent
Ease of use - Good
Cleaning - Excellent
Scratching/hazing - Excellent
Compatibility with plastic - Excellent

Their comparison of 28 different liquid, paste, and sprays took place over a one year period. It is a little dated though since it was completed in July '06.


Has anyone used 5 Star Shine http://5starshine.com or any Matrix Micro Coatings products http://matrixmicrocoatings.com
It is hard to find un-biased reviews of that type of 'paint protection sytem'
I would really like to try one of these but would like to have some input from somebody that has actually used it before handing over $70 to $100.

Consumer Reports rates Black Magic Wet Shine Liquid Wax as the best.
Gloss - Excellent
Durability - Excellent
Ease of use - Good
Cleaning - Excellent
Scratching/hazing - Excellent
Compatibility with plastic - Excellent

Their comparison of 28 different liquid, paste, and sprays took place over a one year period. It is a little dated though since it was completed in July '06.


Has anyone used 5 Star Shine http://5starshine.com or any Matrix Micro Coatings products http://matrixmicrocoatings.com
It is hard to find un-biased reviews of that type of 'paint protection sytem'
I would really like to try one of these but would like to have some input from somebody that has actually used it before handing over $70 to $100.The Autogeek forum has some people who will trade sample of waxes with you or just send some. 5 starshine I have heard of and I did hear good things. The other sounds interesting and I'd like to look into it. I'm not going back to the hard to wipe off stuff. I'm in the process of trying different waxes this year for fun. Let us know in the future about Black magic if you like it.

well i had a black neon before i got my avenger and i always used the ICE wax and it works good cause it actually penetrates the paint and gives it a darker and better shine and it even covers the light scratches. but now i use the simmoniz i order it of the net and also works excellent .

I have ALWAYS used Meguiar's products. Their NXT generation of products are outstanding. They have liquid, paste and spray-on waxes as well as spray detailer, vinyl and rubber protectant, car wash soap, wheel cleaner and tire dressings. Everything you could ever need. I'm a 4 times a year wax guy and wash once a week even through the cold Canadian winters (Touchless wash w/underspray only). I have a microfiber chenille wash mitt, several detailing brushes and tire and wheel brushes.

The ONLY downside to the Meguiar's wax is that you have to keep up with the spray detailer between waxes. If you don't , I find after about two months or so, you start to lose that really high gloss shine. I have never had a paint job fade, peel or craze on any of my cars and have bought new cars since 1989, That's almost 20 years of product testing and I doubt anybody who uses those "techy" waxes/polishes/sealants can boast that kind of track record.

I have ALWAYS used Meguiar's products. Their NXT generation of products are outstanding. They have liquid, paste and spray-on waxes as well as spray detailer, vinyl and rubber protectant, car wash soap, wheel cleaner and tire dressings. Everything you could ever need. I'm a 4 times a year wax guy and wash once a week even through the cold Canadian winters (Touchless wash w/underspray only). I have a microfiber chenille wash mitt, several detailing brushes and tire and wheel brushes.

The ONLY downside to the Meguiar's wax is that you have to keep up with the spray detailer between waxes. If you don't , I find after about two months or so, you start to lose that really high gloss shine. I have never had a paint job fade, peel or craze on any of my cars and have bought new cars since 1989, That's almost 20 years of product testing and I doubt anybody who uses those "techy" waxes/polishes/sealants can boast that kind of track record.I do have a great track record with sealant and other waxes that are much easier than the hard to wipe off waxes like Mequire's Cleaner wax and Turtle wax. I'm done using the crap that stains the trim and is hard to wipe off.It's worth $30.00 to me if it's easy and does the job.The sealant was one of the best things I switched to. One reason is someone is throwing lit cigarettes on our cars. The one without the sealant is damaged the other is not.Also when bird dropping appear they are easier to remove and no staining. I admit there are some high priced waxes that are not worth paying the high price when there is something cheaper and the same thing. Alot of waxes need a detailing spray touch up anyway. I like Mequires Ulitmate detailer with polymer.I use one of Chemical Guys detalers in the gallon jug for $25.00 and it save me from buying Mequires Ultimate detailer at $10.00 a bottle at 16 oz's. I haven't use the new high tech wax yet by Mequire's, I think it's in a purple can or bottle. I believe that polymers are great. I would use the stuff in the dark red bottles again. Tuff to remove.

I broke out my polisher to get out some minor swirl marks I had on the car. I used my Sonus kit (3 Stage) and everything turned out great. My red really pops in the sun. Wife drove the car around in the rain for a couple of days, even after that the car still shined. Only took 6 hours to polish the whole car :(.

I broke out my polisher to get out some minor swirl marks I had on the car. I used my Sonus kit (3 Stage) and everything turned out great. My red really pops in the sun. Wife drove the car around in the rain for a couple of days, even after that the car still shined. Only took 6 hours to polish the whole car :(.

Six hours to polish your Avenger; your dedication far exceeds mine.

I broke out my polisher to get out some minor swirl marks I had on the car. I used my Sonus kit (3 Stage) and everything turned out great. My red really pops in the sun. Wife drove the car around in the rain for a couple of days, even after that the car still shined. Only took 6 hours to polish the whole car :(.I never used Sonus yet, But I've heard it's pretty good too. If that polish is that good I'll buy it later,Better probably to buy the whole kit and go through the steps . I haven't bought a buffer yet. Did you buy the whole kit with the buffer? Alot guys are using a Porter-Cable buffer. You know it never made sense to call a polish a polish. Some people assume a polish is a just a wax. I bet the time it took to do your car is well worth it.

Six hours to polish your Avenger; your dedication far exceeds mine.

LOL, You should see me with my truck then. Before some of the major car shows, I usually spend about 14 hours or so polishing and cleaning the truck. My back pays for it for a few days :(.

I never used Sonus yet, But I've heard it's pretty good too. If that polish is that good I'll buy it later,Better probably to buy the whole kit and go through the steps . I haven't bought a buffer yet. Did you buy the whole kit with the buffer? Alot guys are using a Porter-Cable buffer. You know it never made sense to call a polish a polish. Some people assume a polish is a just a wax. I bet the time it took to do your car is well worth it.

I purchased the other which was the Ultimate Detail Machine. After reading a lot of reviews and such on Autopia and such I decided to go with the UDM. I picked it up when there was a 15% sale on it. Couldn't resist. I think in all it cost me about $200 shipped.

I dunno if the time spent was worth it, it did take me a long time and the wife good to reep the benefits. LOL

LOL, You should see me with my truck then. Before some of the major car shows, I usually spend about 14 hours or so polishing and cleaning the truck. My back pays for it for a few days :(.



I purchased the other which was the Ultimate Detail Machine. After reading a lot of reviews and such on Autopia and such I decided to go with the UDM. I picked it up when there was a 15% sale on it. Couldn't resist. I think in all it cost me about $200 shipped.

I dunno if the time spent was worth it, it did take me a long time and the wife good to reep the benefits. LOLFunny I just went to Autopia this morning and a 10% off coupon popped up. If you need something maybe it'll do that for you too. I think I like the outcome after detailing, It's sort of a hobby in a way. It's my way of escaping too.:)

Yeah I just don't have the patience to clean up my car for hours on end... I would rather take it to a shop and pay some bucks to have someone else wax her down... lol. Just never has been my favorite...

I just wash mine, wipe it dry, and it shines like nobodies business. I had the Autoarmor put on by the dealer, and that stuff is awesome so far. They specifically told me not to wax it for 3 1/2 years. I get another application done at that time, and it's good for another 3 1/2 years. It even came with some car wash and cleaners for the inside. Had the inside treated as well.

I just wash mine, wipe it dry, and it shines like nobodies business. I had the Autoarmor put on by the dealer, and that stuff is awesome so far. They specifically told me not to wax it for 3 1/2 years. I get another application done at that time, and it's good for another 3 1/2 years. It even came with some car wash and cleaners for the inside. Had the inside treated as well. Yes I've heard of it and I've never had it done. But I know of people who say they like it alot. Sounds good.

I don't know; I've sofar been really happy with the Zaino products. I haven't tried their car wash yet and won't until I wax again, which will probably be this week. I have been using Meguiars Crystal car wash in the in-between, though. Works really well.

I don't know; I've sofar been really happy with the Zaino products. I haven't tried their car wash yet and won't until I wax again, which will probably be this week. I have been using Meguiars Crystal car wash in the in-between, though. Works really well. I have some Zaino I can't wait to try when the weather is better. I have some friends that really like it. I got Zaino's Z5 and Z2. We'll see how it goes. I haven't used the car wash yet. I've been using Meguire's which seems to be good for now.

I used Zaino for quite a while and I really like it. I ran out of it and have never bought anymore. It is a little pricey but it is worth it, takes some time to do also. I bought some of that ICE wax to try since a few guys said it is good and I like it won't leave any residue.

I used Zaino for quite a while and I really like it. I ran out of it and have never bought anymore. It is a little pricey but it is worth it, takes some time to do also. I bought some of that ICE wax to try since a few guys said it is good and I like it won't leave any residue.I try different waxes now and then for the fun of it. Did Zaino leave any residue? I have waxes that don't and I don't want surprises! I hate that residue.

I think I am going to go all Meguiar's...their new product line is looking promising.

http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/2008Preview.cfm?page=2008_consumer_products

I think I am going to go all Meguiar's...their new product line is looking promising.

http://www.meguiars.com/whatsnew/2008Preview.cfm?page=2008_consumer_products
I like the Ultimate Detailer and their car wash soaps are good. I haven't used the NXT yet. I wouldn't go backwards to the cleaner wax or the other stuff in the maroon bottles. That's me, Everyone has their own preferences. I think NXT has polymers and I think are pretty good so far for me.

touch of class protection holds the shine for 5 years no waxing just wash and go

I try different waxes now and then for the fun of it. Did Zaino leave any residue? I have waxes that don't and I don't want surprises! I hate that residue.


No residue when I used it. I imagine it is the same thing now but it was about 6 or 7 years ago that I last used it. I bought the accelerator that they have so I could do multiple coats in one day. Didn't like waiting in between coats.

No residue when I used it. I imagine it is the same thing now but it was about 6 or 7 years ago that I last used it. I bought the accelerator that they have so I could do multiple coats in one day. Didn't like waiting in between coats.Yes that's what my friend told me to buy (The accelerator). I don't blame them or you for buying it. When you're on a roll you want to finish that day.

touch of class protection holds the shine for 5 years no waxing just wash and goYes from the dealer. Do you have it ? I've never tried it.

Yes that's what my friend told me to buy (The accelerator). I blame them or you for buying it. When you're on a roll you want to finish that day.

Sorry. You are very right though, it just makes the process much easier. Sucks to get it all cleaned up, waxed once and then have to wait. If it rains or something then you have to start all over. With that accelerator you can just get it all done at once.

Sorry. You are very right though, it just makes the process much easier. Sucks to get it all cleaned up, waxed once and then have to wait. If it rains or something then you have to start all over. With that accelerator you can just get it all done at once.
I meant to say I don't blame you guys for buying it. I have to watch my writing. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

I meant to say I don't blame you guys for buying it. I have to watch my writing. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.


Oh, gotcha. Thought you bought because of what people told you, no big deal, we all type the wrong things at times.

Oh, gotcha. Thought you bought because of what people told you, no big deal, we all type the wrong things at times.Sorry to hear someone else that does that!! Hahaha

I try different waxes now and then for the fun of it. Did Zaino leave any residue? I have waxes that don't and I don't want surprises! I hate that residue.

Nope, there was no residue whatsoever...and the weather has been such that I haven't even been able to apply a new coat, but the car still beads water and still looks just like after I first waxed it with the Zaino in January.

Nope, there was no residue whatsoever...and the weather has been such that I haven't even been able to apply a new coat, but the car still beads water and still looks just like after I first waxed it with the Zaino in January.Yesterday since it was 70 here I did the car with Zaino 5 pro ZFX and it looks great. Ofcourse I used Dawn to remove the old sealant and wax. I think I'm pretty happy with what I see.

Yesterday since it was 70 here I did the car with Zaino 5 pro ZFX and it looks great. Ofcourse I used Dawn to remove the old sealant and wax. I think I'm pretty happy with what I see.

I thought I read somewhere that Dawn dishsoap is very bad for cars?

I thought I read somewhere that Dawn dishsoap is very bad for cars?Yes it is, But for just to strip wax off alot of people on a few forums say it's ok. Over Detail University they said when starting a different brand of sealant or wax to get the right affect you have to strip the old stuff and clay. Hell no I don't use that to wash on a regular basis, Why wax if you do that.

Yes it is, But for just to strip wax off alot of people on a few forums say it's ok. Over Detail University they said when starting a different brand of sealant or wax to get the right affect you have to strip the old stuff and clay. Hell no I don't use that to wash on a regular basis, Why wax if you do that.

LOL Just making sure - isn't there like a real brand of car wash soap to use to remove all previous waxes/conditioners?

LOL Just making sure - isn't there like a real brand of car wash soap to use to remove all previous waxes/conditioners?You know there's a few things out there,But I've looked at so many I don't remember some. P21S has a paint work cleanser and Meszurma I believe it's called has something. Here's a link to Zaino about Dawn. Actually I made the final decision according to the directions of the product I was using.
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Z&Category_Code=APPLICATION

You know there's a few things out there,But I've looked at so many I don't remember some. P21S has a paint work cleanser and Meszurma I believe it's called has something. Here's a link to Zaino about Dawn. Actually I made the final decision according to the directions of the product I was using.
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Z&Category_Code=APPLICATION

Ah cool, thanks for the link Sue! :)

Ah cool, thanks for the link Sue! :)Sure. I may change my wax or sealant in June for fun. I may try Chemical Guys 50/50 or some others. I say that now, Depends on the funds.

I've been using the Mothers Claybar Kit. In my opinion, Claying is the only way to go as far as paint is concerned. It takes all impurities out of the paint, and the final wax stage after the claying, gives you a mirror shine. As far as the interior goes, I use Meguires leather conditioner wipes on the seats. I try to stay away from using anything on the dash, accept water and vinigar to clean it as most conditioners will end up ruining the dash in the future.

I've been using the Mothers Claybar Kit. In my opinion, Claying is the only way to go as far as paint is concerned. It takes all impurities out of the paint, and the final wax stage after the claying, gives you a mirror shine. As far as the interior goes, I use Meguires leather conditioner wipes on the seats. I try to stay away from using anything on the dash, accept water and vinigar to clean it as most conditioners will end up ruining the dash in the future. Yes claying is a good thing. A person would be surprised on how many embedded particles are in the paint. I know you probably know this already. I'm just saying this in case someone buys a clay bar. There are different grades online. Meaning be careful with one's that might be similar to a compound. Too abrasive. Like you already know 300 Addict, They need to use a lubricant when using a bar. I don't know everything, But what I do know I'd rather share the info so no one ruins their finish. Then there's always someone who doesn't care for clay at all. It could be technique or the type of clay right?

Yes claying is a good thing. A person would be surprised on how many embedded particles are in the paint. I know you probably know this already. I'm just saying this in case someone buys a clay bar. There are different grades online. Meaning be careful with one's that might be similar to a compound. Too abrasive. Like you already know 300 Addict, They need to use a lubricant when using a bar. I don't know everything, But what I do know I'd rather share the info so no one ruins their finish. Then there's always someone who doesn't care for clay at all. It could be technique or the type of clay right?

Yep...I got two bars with the Zaino kit I bought; haven't tried them yet, though. Hope to this weekend, as it's supposed to be much nicer in Oklahoma.

Yesterday since it was 70 here I did the car with Zaino 5 pro ZFX and it looks great. Ofcourse I used Dawn to remove the old sealant and wax. I think I'm pretty happy with what I see.

Did you use the ZFX Accelerant to speed up the cure?

Did you use the ZFX Accelerant to speed up the cure?
Yes and I could not believe when I added more Zaino. The reflectiveness was great or even more than the first coat. I also did a test with Pinnacle Souveran which costs $79.00 to $89.00 bucks. I applied it on a separate part of the hood and forget it. I also re-applied Pinnacle and I have to say Zaino wins on my Silver Steel Metallic. They say it looks best on blacks and reds anyway. It did look great before and now I don't know what to say. I'm going to keep layering it for fun and see what happens with the Zaino.

Yep...I got two bars with the Zaino kit I bought; haven't tried them yet, though. Hope to this weekend, as it's supposed to be much nicer in Oklahoma.I haven't tried their clay bars. If you like it let me know if you think of it.

umm..... clay I have heard of this stuff before I have just been too scared to try it(heard the horror stories) is it really that hard to do? Or do you think people are just dumb.

I have the new Maguire's wax (past) and I love it. it makes my black pop in the sun and at night. but it does leave that white crap in the cracks no matter how careful I am I still seam to spent more time cleaning the cracks than I did waxing the car. All good things are worth the effort

Yes claying is a good thing. A person would be surprised on how many embedded particles are in the paint. I know you probably know this already. I'm just saying this in case someone buys a clay bar. There are different grades online. Meaning be careful with one's that might be similar to a compound. Too abrasive. Like you already know 300 Addict, They need to use a lubricant when using a bar. I don't know everything, But what I do know I'd rather share the info so no one ruins their finish. Then there's always someone who doesn't care for clay at all. It could be technique or the type of clay right?You are abolutely correct Sue. Technique is very important when it comes to claying. The type of kit is important. Although, I haven't run into any problems with brand names, I am sure there are some out there that a close to a compound, which aren't good for todays clearcoats..you may as well use sandpaper lol. I stick to the Mothers Brand or Meguires, because it's always available, and I know that it isn't going to harm the paint. Back to technique, it is very important to always keep the clay bar lubricated with the spray that they give you with the kit. Spray first, then rub the bar back and forth to the area that you are claying, not in a circular motion. You should also only do small sections at a time. When the claying is complete, apply wax supplied with the kit to again, small sections. Once the waxing is done, your pretty much done. It's a long procedure and very time consuming, but it's worth it, in my opinion.:smiley_thumbs_up:

You are abolutely correct Sue. Technique is very important when it comes to claying. The type of kit is important. Although, I haven't run into any problems with brand names, I am sure there are some out there that a close to a compound, which aren't good for todays clearcoats..you may as well use sandpaper lol. I stick to the Mothers Brand or Meguires, because it's always available, and I know that it isn't going to harm the paint. Back to technique, it is very important to always keep the clay bar lubricated with the spray that they give you with the kit. Spray first, then rub the bar back and forth to the area that you are claying, not in a circular motion. You should also only do small sections at a time. When the claying is complete, apply wax supplied with the kit to again, small sections. Once the waxing is done, your pretty much done. It's a long procedure and very time consuming, but it's worth it, in my opinion.:smiley_thumbs_up:Excellent advice. For those who drop it in the dirt, Throw the clay out. If it's embedded with dirt forget it.

Excellent advice. For those who drop it in the dirt, Throw the clay out. If it's embedded with dirt forget it.
LOL! I totally forgot about that. That is an excellent point. The claybar practically garbage if dropped. I've gone into the habit of breaking the claybar in two and using a smaller piece, just in case I decide to drop it. Nothing is worse than having to back to the store, or order another kit online. I'm not sure if the claybar is sold separetly, but you'll most likely end up buying a whole new kit.

Yes and I could not believe when I added more Zaino. The reflectiveness was great or even more than the first coat. I also did a test with Pinnacle Souveran which costs $79.00 to $89.00 bucks. I applied it on a separate part of the hood and forget it. I also re-applied Pinnacle and I have to say Zaino wins on my Silver Steel Metallic. They say it looks best on blacks and reds anyway. It did look great before and now I don't know what to say. I'm going to keep layering it for fun and see what happens with the Zaino.

That's good to hear, Sue. And I can agree with the part about it looking best on reds/blacks. Makes the metallic pop in the Inferno red I have.

umm..... clay I have heard of this stuff before I have just been too scared to try it(heard the horror stories) is it really that hard to do? Or do you think people are just dumb.

I have the new Maguire's wax (past) and I love it. it makes my black pop in the sun and at night. but it does leave that white crap in the cracks no matter how careful I am I still seam to spent more time cleaning the cracks than I did waxing the car. All good things are worth the effortYes I've heard of people scratching the surface. Maybe they're using a cut of clay bar that's too rough,They're not lubing the surface enough, or they're not turning it over enough. I don't know that's just a guess. I know some people are picky about what kind of clay they use. Here's a link to a company that sells different cuts of clay. http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=detailking&DeptID=140194

Yes I've heard of people scratching the surface. Maybe they're using a cut of clay bar that's too rough,They're not lubing the surface enough, or they're not turning it over enough. I don't know that's just a guess. I know some people are picky about what kind of clay they use. Here's a link to a company that sells different cuts of clay. http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?Merchant=detailking&DeptID=140194


I've only used the Zaino Clay but with any clay, make sure you turn the clay to expose a clean surface. You can visually see the dirt in the clay after you do a panel. Also, I think this has been mentioned, if you drop the clay, get a new piece. Also work in the shade, use lots of lubrication, and work in small sections. The clay should glide across the surface when the imperfections are removed. The surface will literally be squeaky clean.

I've only used the Zaino Clay but with any clay, make sure you turn the clay to expose a clean surface. You can visually see the dirt in the clay after you do a panel. Also, I think this has been mentioned, if you drop the clay, get a new piece. Also work in the shade, use lots of lubrication, and work in small sections. The clay should glide across the surface when the imperfections are removed. The surface will literally be squeaky clean.Great advice, People need to know all the details.

I have no idea what clay is for... I think I may have asked this before, but I can't remember. Could someone post something on the clay bars and why and how they are used? Thanks!

I have no idea what clay is for... I think I may have asked this before, but I can't remember. Could someone post something on the clay bars and why and how they are used? Thanks!

Clay will remove stuck grime and dirt on your paint. It should be used the first time you wax your car so the finish is the best it can be.

These are two of the best detailing guides I've ever read:

http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86217&highlight=zaino

http://autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/

I pretty much follow the procedure for waxing in the first link using Zaino products. I don't wash my car with Dawn. While Dawn will remove any trace of wax, it could also harm your trim and other non-waxed parts. I just use regular car wash followed by Zaino's clay. After the car is clayed and dried I wax as follows:

Z5-let set at least 30 min, remove
Z6 (gloss enhancer), wipe down the entire car
Z2-Pro, let set at least 1 hour (overnight if you want), remove
Z6 again.I do use the accelerator with the Z5 and Z2pro. Otherwise, you'll need to apply Z1 and the coats will take much longer to dry. I also use the applicators that Zaino sells. Also buy some good 100% Cotton, made in the USA bath towels. Wash them before using and do not use fabric softener. These work great in removing the Zaino.

Here is my 2003 Mustang after using Zaino:

http://i30.tinypic.com/epes75.jpg

And here's the Avenger I traded the Mustang for:

http://i32.tinypic.com/34xoobp.jpg

Wow, those are some great looking cars and some great information. I have never tried to use clay. Always thought it was to hard to do and a lot of room for error. I am going to have to do some more research and give it a try. I see the results are great.

I only use the Dawn for the very first application in case someone thinks I use it ALL the time. So Err you skipped the Dawn for the first application and it seems ok?

I only use the Dawn for the very first application in case someone thinks I use it ALL the time. So Err you skipped the Dawn for the first application and it seems ok?

I didn't skip it on the Mustang but I DID on the Avenger and when I did my Wife's black Jeep Grand Cherokee. I didn't see any difference. Just be thorough with the Clay.

I didn't skip it on the Mustang but I DID on the Avenger and when I did my Wife's black Jeep Grand Cherokee. I didn't see any difference. Just be thorough with the Clay.I wouldn't doubt it. Thanks for telling me.

I wouldn't doubt it. Thanks for telling me.

I think the only way it might matter is if someone had used that nasty Turtlewax paste as a wax.

But yes, Dawn is just enough to strip away the old wax; a good indicator is if you run water over the surface you've washed, make sure the water sheets off and doesn't hold a bead. When you get done with the Zaino, expect to hold a bead for a long time :) Mine still looks like a mirror, and I still haven't got around to waxing again due to the weather...

I think the only way it might matter is if someone had used that nasty Turtlewax paste as a wax.

But yes, Dawn is just enough to strip away the old wax; a good indicator is if you run water over the surface you've washed, make sure the water sheets off and doesn't hold a bead. When you get done with the Zaino, expect to hold a bead for a long time :) Mine still looks like a mirror, and I still haven't got around to waxing again due to the weather...I like Zaino. I'm impressed very much. That old Turtle wax in the tub, I have too many names for that junk. If I see someone at the store looking at it I nicely tell them don't buy it. The only way they must stay in business is that too many unknowingly people get suckered in. Then people use it and say to heck with waxing and don't!! Hahaha Some people don't realize that waxing doesn't have to be that hard with the new stuff out there.

Yes from the dealer. Do you have it ? I've never tried it.

i put it on 4 cars now but not from the dealer, theres a place here in waco that dos it, cost about 175.00 per car, but man it holds the shine great

i put it on 4 cars now but not from the dealer, theres a place here in waco that dos it, cost about 175.00 per car, but man it holds the shine great
That's fantastic, Thanks.

Found a heck of a deal on a TON of Zaino stuff:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZAINO-WAX-Products-mixed-selection_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50450QQihZ013 QQitemZ230250083162QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Josh holy cow! What a good find!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!!!!!

Josh holy cow! What a good find!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!!!!!!!

Yeah I took a page from you and did a search. Can't believe all that stuff that person is selling. That is a ton for that price. Well over $500 worth of stuff. You could sell that stuff individually and make two or three times what you paid for the whole bundle.

Yeah I took a page from you and did a search. Can't believe all that stuff that person is selling. That is a ton for that price. Well over $500 worth of stuff. You could sell that stuff individually and make two or three times what you paid for the whole bundle.You're right! I bid on it but quit. I'll see later. You know I am impressed with Zaino. I ignored it for a longtime.

You're right! I bid on it but quit. I'll see later. You know I am impressed with Zaino. I ignored it for a longtime.


Yeah I used it for awhile and still had some of the stuff that I just got lazy and never used. It is all old and not good anymore. I just looked and they have a kit for $85. I might have to look into getting that. Problem is I have a ton of waxes and things I need to use up first. Might have my wife get me something from Zaino for christmas or birthday.

Yeah I used it for awhile and still had some of the stuff that I just got lazy and never used. It is all old and not good anymore. I just looked and they have a kit for $85. I might have to look into getting that. Problem is I have a ton of waxes and things I need to use up first. Might have my wife get me something from Zaino for christmas or birthday.Around Christmas is a good time to buy wax. I check every week before Christmas for coupon codes,etc. Last year I got a buy one get one free of Pinnacle Souveran and free shipping at Autogeek. I sold one new one for $60.00 on ebay and the other barely used one for $40.00. For the 2 it cost me $79.00. So keep that in mind.

Around Christmas is a good time to buy wax. I check every week before Christmas for coupon codes,etc. Last year I got a buy one get one free of Pinnacle Souveran and free shipping at Autogeek. I sold one new one for $60.00 on ebay and the other barely used one for $40.00. For the 2 it cost me $79.00. So keep that in mind.

Thats a good idea. I will have to just wait. That will give me sometime to use up what I have also. I have been so busy I haven't even waxed my car since I got it.........

Thats a good idea. I will have to just wait. That will give me sometime to use up what I have also. I have been so busy I haven't even waxed my car since I got it.........Sucker the wife into doing it.:smileup:

Sucker the wife into doing it.:smileup:


I think I have suckered her into enough with the car. She has been pretty good with letting me spend money on the car with all the mods I have done. I might have to wait awhile.

I think I have suckered her into enough with the car. She has been pretty good with letting me spend money on the car with all the mods I have done. I might have to wait awhile.Sorry I'm such a wise butt. I know she's been good and patient. Well you probably do a bit for her too and she appreciates it.

Sorry I'm such a wise butt. I know she's been good and patient. Well you probably do a bit for her too and she appreciates it.

Yeah I just traded in my truck and bought her a fully loaded '08 Jeep Commander Limited!!!! That's why I have the Avenger.

Yeah I just traded in my truck and bought her a fully loaded '08 Jeep Commander Limited!!!! That's why I have the Avenger.She's a happy woman now.:smileup: That's gotta be some Jeep. Sounds nice.

She's a happy woman now.:smileup: That's gotta be some Jeep. Sounds nice.


Yeah she has been asking me for an SUV for a long time. I took on an extra job so she could get one now. She is VERY happy.

Yeah she has been asking me for an SUV for a long time. I took on an extra job so she could get one now. She is VERY happy. That is very nice of you and there's not many like you.:smileup: I think you deserve a break from all the junk that's happened, graphics, etc.

That is very nice of you and there's not many like you.:smileup: I think you deserve a break from all the junk that's happened, graphics, etc.


Thanks Sue. I try to be a good husband. She is great, she puts up with my car addition and my job. Niether of those are easy.

Thanks Sue. I try to be a good husband. She is great, she puts up with my car addition and my job. Niether of those are easy.Nope not easy. My husband was nice enough to take some of his settlement money from an accident and buy me a car. Actually I didn't want one, I told him to buy one. I had a car I was attached to for 16 years. So he's pretty good also.