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    Part of my "full weekend" was a trip to the big city of Buffalo on day long family outing(went to see the worlds largest rubber duck visiting there). My daughter has been wanting her first real own car(she wanted newer than what we provided her) She found a listing at a dealer in her price range and fell in love with that cars picture. So we stopped by there on our way just to look it over(as I had promised that I would).Needless to say 4 hours later paper work was signed and on Wed. we go and take delivery of HER 09 Kia Spectra! Purchase and financing and insurance is ALL done by my daughter. Yes I did the "haggling" with the salesman and his boss, as they were unwilling to fix blatant issues or come down in price. I finally got them to come down just shy of $1,500. and YES I will be taking care of the issues that concerned me (steering shake and obvious tire and possible rim issues, along with other mileage related maint. that was NOT done.), But she got a good deal and I am satisfied and SHE is HAPPY(Praise GOD)! It's been named MIA Kia by my daughter! Oh yes, and we saw the "duck" and finally got home 13 hours after leaving home!
     
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    So now there are 5 in the driveway and I will have to figure out how to have them all parked so all can get out and back in. Not to mention how to be able to snowblow out the driveway this winter! I think I may have to do as many of my neighbors and turn my front lawn between the road edge and the sidewalk into a permanent parking slot and just have to worry about what the snowplows push over during WINTER!
     
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    9/1/16 UPDATE: Although all initial papers are in order, our salesperson was dismissed(politely said), and NOTHING was done with the delivery work that was to be done! Needless to say daughter is Highly upset as she gets ready to leave for her first day at new job, having to drive her "old" Escort! And I will still have to get the car ROLLING SHAKE/VIBRATION free. I personally think it won't be ready till AFTER the holiday weekend, and Daughter will be wanting to DESTROY said DEALERSHIP!
     
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    9/16 UPDATE: Well we were told by phone call on the Fri. of Labor day weekend that Mia was ready and could pick her up, told them that it had better be but would not be able to pick it up till Sat. morning and would be there a 9:00 am. Well we got there and ended up WAITING 3 hours as once again NOTHING had been done to "prep" the car,Not even the plates and temp. registration! Finally got things worked out and brought it home, and as for "working things out" we returned it to them last evening for them to take care of repairs and cleaning as the deal was for purchase. Mind you we are country folk, and it is a 1 1/2 hr. ride in GOOD traffic conditions. BUT there was a Buffalo Bills home opener last night, and the trip up was 2.5 hours! After a fast service confirm, we launched right back onto the roadways in bumper to bumper traffic that took 3.5 hrs. to get back home! Got in the door just as the game started!
    Call me "spoiled" but you "urban" folks can keep your smooth "multi lane" roads! Give me the good ole country 2 laners and graveled (low traffic) byways!!!

    EDIT: It is NO WONDER why many do not seem to get GOOD gas mileage if you deal with those kind of conditions on a DAILY BASIS !!
     
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    10/14/16 UPDATE:
    Well the dash warning light problems are all squared away on Mia Kia, new pass. seat sensor was installed yesterday under an extended warranty(FREE), by a different dealer closer to home. and 2 weeks ago from the last posting they actually replaced 2 tpm sensors at the dealer we got it from, they were crying the blues because it needed 2 instead of 1 that their inspection sheet had said!And yes they did do a nice job of buffing out most of the micro scratches covering the car and really cleaning the interior. Even I keep the interior of my T&C cleaner than the way the Kia was delivered to my daughter when first picked up! Now I get to take care of the minor repairs and maint. that it should have for the current mileage and agree'd to at closing the purchase price (that is when I can pry it away from my daughter)!
     
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    11/5/16 Update
    Well after welding in a new flex pipe and fixing 1 slightly bent front rim and finding 1 rear tire with shifted belt(tire noise and slight vibration) along with an downstream O2 sensor that needs replacement(code for slow read). The Pres. of the Dealership contacted my daughter about the letter she sent him dealing with the Horrible management of the site we got the Kia from. He had reviewed the situation and now that the big things are fixed is going to make a 1 month payment for her car loan. I told the daughter to drive out the rear tires (NICE tread), and I will change the sensor. Other than the purchase of 2 tires come spring, her out of pocket expenses do not reach $75.00 including oil and filter change(3800 miles driven already!). For the car class it is, it's not bad and looks a lot newer than its current 94,000 miles! And daughter is HAPPY!

    BUT I STILL PREFER ANY AVENGER !
     
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    11/26/16 Update
    O2 sensor,cabin filter and a trip to WM TLE for rebalance of all four tires and the daughters car is doing good. I have a new trans filter and oil ready to go when we catch a weather break and can pry the car away from her to do that little chore. Yeah I know WM? , they were lowest cost and allowed me to watch from the service door(I know people there). and free lifetime rebalance. What it took for a bad tire turned out to be a bent inner flange rim(which I fixed)before the balance. Come spring will be a timing belt and H2O pump for recommended maint.
    STILL PREFER AN AVENGER!
     
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    1/14/17 UPDATE:
    Well the downstream sensor put the light out for a little while but has been back on, I still do not get much time with it and it is closing in on 100,000 miles. Still getting that same code and that EVAP self test monitor is not going all the way through its' test but not throwing a code for it. I have replaced the spark plus,which were well worn but firing ok. My scanner is showing the upstream O2 sensor reading quite rich but can not tell if from a worn out sensor or trouble further up in the intake system(dirty TB or a MAF sensor(like a GM, measures from intake airflow). Did some parts price searching and Yikes, the upstream O2 can range in price from $100.00 to $175.00! The downstream sensor was only $43.00, I will not discuss the price of the MAF sensor. I am going to have to tell the daughter that I SOON need to have the car for a day and TEST out electrically those systems and throw in a TB and MAF cleaning besides. I know it is not an avenger, but if anyone has any ideas, I have open "eye's" to read them! BTW the car runs fine, no quirks. And from my understanding, this is a code similar to MOPARS P0420 and yes I have checked out the Gas Cap. LOL
     
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    1/18/17 UPDATE: well the CEL is still coming on INTERMITTENTLY. and will even clear itself. Combing the facts that the computers EVAP monitor self test will not complete and the code that does pop up is a code that could be triggered from and EVAP problem, when I can PRY the car from daughter, I will get it up on the ramps and start looking for the Evap systems integrity,and possible sticky purge valve.
     
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    Well I did a dumb thing this morning...
    I know this thread is about the Daughters Kia, But since we still run its' predecessor(ESCORT) I felt it should be posted here. Wife and son usually ride together for school and work, but TODAY at the last minute, I get told they are taking separate cars. It rained and ICE'D overnight, so I hit the Escorts remote start button(aftermarket) to warm it up. went out a few minutes later to set the heat controls (IT has auto locking doors with key in run position) and move one of the other cars as wife leaves first. Got all that done and decided to insert the key to the run position so all was ready for the wife, all normal actions.
    I swear I hit the power door UNLOCK switch BEFORE closing the drivers door. Wife comes out a few minutes later and can't open the doors, Of course I say Stuck from ICE.She is getting more upset by the moment. I scrape away last of ice near the lock knobs, and behold the doors are all LOCKED! Run in the house for the spare key... NO SPARE KEY to be found! Now she is "hot" enough to burn the ice and paint off the car. They go back to usual drive ing habit and I jimmy the door and have it open 3 minutes after they leave! Of course they are not far away, but had not turned on their phones so I could tell them! Guess it will be a HOT tongue and COLD shoulder "roast" tonight when she gets home and I will have to go pick the son up from his LATE after school activity!
     
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    3/20/17 UPDATE:
    Well I have survived the "hot tongue and cold shoulder" incident. Now back to the Kia, I think It is finally working itself out to proper computer "happiness". After the last round of cleaning TB and doing an intake manifold/cylinder head decarbonize treatment,along with multiple seafoam brand fuel treatments, that the slow reading downstream O2 sensor code is going away! The CEL is out, indicating that the computer has not seen the slow reading problem lately! The code is still in memory, but all monitors have self tested good..EVEN the EVAP monitor! Daughter is a LOT happier as the CEL does now not keep drawing her attention from the road to the dash! And I don't have to pull the gas tank out for further EVAP check/repairs!
     
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    $/11/17 UPDATE:
    Well I was a little premature on a conclusion of the P0139 CEL/code problem.
    It started acting up again intermittently. I ended up re installing the original downstream O2 sensor and all is working as specified. Guess the replacement one had a short at operating temps that I could not test out while "cool enough" to handle! At least all seems well now and can start planning other 100,000mile "services" to it!
     
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    6/03/17 UPDATE:

    Well....have still been fighting that P0139 (slow read downstream O2 sensor), very random in happening. UNTIL today!
    My daughter stayed home this weekend and with NICE weather, I put it back on the car ramps and did some hefty investigating. I found an incomplete weld of the replacement flex pipe that was done right after buying the Kia. A very small opening for sure, so I sealed it with "muffler putty" and then put 50 miles on it and NO more CEL and live data readings holding perfectly(like new car specs)! I think I finally "nailed" this problem! and will also return to my old feeling of never trusting others work, from being a former active auto tech. Yes I had let another muffler shop replace that flex pipe!
     
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    7/26/17 UPDATE:
    Well the P0139 code problem is fixed, found a product that could take the heat and sealed the gap well. had another code pop up for the engine oil controlled variable valve timing control(VVT). Turned out that there is a filter screen that threads into the cylinder head that was varnished over and not allowing adequate flow. Cleaned and reinstalled,(a 5 minute job), with no troubles since.
    The latest is I just did all 4 corners for brakes and rotors. Rears also got reman calipers due to parking brake design (actuated through the caliper piston)problems. Got parts through rockauto, Powerstop brand daily driver kit(nothing HP...LOL) with ceramic pads. I will monitor how they do for braking effort and longevity as I am more satisfied using semi metallic pads on our cars. But now I am SATISFIED that the brakes work as a NEW car and that all is cleaned and lubed to take on WNY weather/ rust conditions for some time now. I only could do a brief "break in" run with it last evening, so tonight when daughter gets home will take it out again and see how things feel! And for the DEALER we bought the car from less than a year ago(and had said new rotors and pads just done)... I had to hammer the brake pads out of the frames that they are SUPPOSED to SLIDE in!
     
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    Road Test completed.... stops BETTER than "on a Dime"! and no more shudders when getting down to low speeds at stops! Now to see if ceramic pad noises start to show up as many of you Sedan Avenger drivers have posted of.
     
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    8/11/17 UPDATE :
    Well I must say that I am impressed with how the Ceramic pads are working on all 4 corners of "mia"! We have seen just about the full range of weather conditions(except SNOW), and the pedal feel, stopping power and NO NOISES has been amazing! Also not seeing any brake dust accumulation either! What a difference from the AZ ceramic pads I had tried on her old Escort(yes it had new rotors too), as when cold it acted like there were NO BRAKES.
    I am so impressed that when the GEM needs new brake work that I will get the powerstop brand ceramic pads(& rotors) for it! Not that it doesn't preform bad now at all, but am now seeing brake dust accumulation on the rims with Semi metallics on it now. Of course the other side of the coin could be that I have been using AZ brand brakes for the last few years and the possibility is in the quality (or lack of) of the brand!..Stay Tuned!
     

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